What actually exists? are we even real? sure we can touch and feel things, but we can do that when we dream. so does that mean that we are actually living two lifes. the one we think is real and live everyday. and then one while we sleep? nothing is real.

lady fuschia interesting theory.

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Stableboy I find that answer curiously uplifting.

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Anonymous Nice answer. LOL

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Ullyses Descartes. He said "Cogito ergo sum", Latin for 'I think, therefore I am". And he was killed as a blasphemer by the church. So much for 'God made you that way'.

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Stableboy Trouble is, he put Descartes before de Horse

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marie44 if we didnt ponder these things then what would be the purpose of living. to only think only about the things you see everyday? i want more purpose in my life than only concerning myself with money and time.

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... The problem with people like you is that your inability to see a mind of a significant magnitude to solve such a problem as other than dangerous simply because it is more than you can conceive of... Are you surprised that you are unaware of (possible) solutions to posited problem? You don't give a five-yr-old your car keys either. Those who, as marie sorrows over, only care about money and possessions, are stuck in a mind-space where such matters can be, and are, their only concern..

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BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk Aha, and who exactly is "people like me"? I have the ability to think about such mysteries of the universe but you are right, I do not trouble myself with them. Why? There's not much I can do, I've come too close to being commited to dive deep into a theoretical/philosophical world of chaos theory and speculation. Once of my favorite composers, Robert Schumann supposably went insane from merely one measly little music note. Unless someone kicks down my door and tells me to swallow the red pill, I doubt much will change in my train of thought. Science has been goaded over the years by various groups, whenever a new idea comes forth the thinker is sold off as crazy, remember Galileo? Imprisoned in his own home on suspicion to commit heresy when he dissagreed with, what was thought to be, the truth.

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... ability supposed or real is not even half the equation, more is the courage needed to reject everything others believe just because they believe it. if you don't trouble yourself, then you will continue to be hemmed in by fears, that of others' ridicule for being controversial, which also stems from their fear of innovation and your own..... everdecreasing circles are not my forte. you however, in avoiding the thjoughts that you fear would have commited you to a mental hospital, have confined yourself to the larger padded room of others' thoughtways...

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BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk If you say so, I would rather not spend any more time attempting to convince you of my comprehension abilities and open mindedness. I do not fear the sanitarium, you could argue anyone in these times could be wrongly committed.

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... If you did not on some level fear a mind DifferenT enough to comprehend such aforementioned problems you would not consider its power dangerous. Without needing concrete evidence either way one could safely assume that if a either such a mind (capable) exists it is sufficiently detached not to bother noticeably to the general population interfering with regards to what exists etc, or, due to your insistence that it is frightening, out of consideration to those unable to comprehend and therefore fearful of- remains mainly undisclosed, or that it in fact does not exist. It was not the sanitarium that i was referring to, it was in fact the entire sum of the 'combined accepted' sum total of conventionally accepted reality... It is one thing to understand that others have differing values, another thing entirely to accept them all, put them togther in a cohesive picture, put that aside, and form your own beliefs unregarding unrelating to everything you have learned before and yet not simply rejecting for the sake of it; then to hold two or more conflicting? 'realities' without holding one (others' usually) as superior or more 'real'...

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BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk "conventionally accepted reality" is hardly reality. You do not need to fear something to know it's dangerous, that can be written as 'respect' or 'common sense'.

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... simply because something is capable of being dangerous does not mean it is threatening. remember, with great power comes great responsibility; those that do not take this into account are more likely than not to spontaneously combust due to their own instability. But, Galileo had the mental strength and courage to openly deny 'conventionally accepted reality'.... accusing some-one of having thoughts that could lead to the asylum is simply the modern-day equivalent of screaming 'heresy!' 'burn the witch!' if i were not to wonder on my own path - i & those around me would be in far more danger (as lack of innovation would indeed cause me to become... wilfully destructively) bored.... than from my inquiring mind.. No-one gave me a 'red pill'; knowledge is there for those with the will to reach out for it. and the courage to ignore other's opinions. if you do not agree with me i will still respect your decision to think as you choose. whether or not you accord to me the same courtesy our realities will diverge on the point in question at least; however if you attempt to convince me of your correctness at the expense of mine i will do all that i can to avoid, and then defend against imposition of ideas that i know to be detrimental to the integrity of my mind, as strange as it may be to others i do not care, 'cos i made it & it works for me.... make up your own mind!

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lady fuschia wow. Just, wow.

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